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Sleep programming isn’t the same thing as the Meditation Program. It aims to program your mind while you sleep rather than take you down into a meditative state.
My personal preference is Meditation Program – I still listen to it most days.

And by the way, by looking at the comments, holosync seems to be the favorite amongst all, so is there anything better than holosync?

I’ve been on the program for about 4 years now and the changes in my life have been amazing but also difficult at times. Sometimes it’s hard to let go of what we’re comfortable with, even when it’s destructive to our lives. I recently cut way back on the program because I am going through a very stressful time in my life. However, after reading through this forum, I am ready to get back on the train.

I love Claytrell’s comment about being happy with what you have. I could not agree more, though at times I still fail to fulfill that viewpoint. I am a very goal oriented person and often miss the moment by striving to get to my arrival point. The program has really helped me with this and I presume it will continue to do so. Do you have any pointers for truly being happy with everything life shows you?

Also, have any of you taken Bill Harris’ PIP (Principles Integration Process) course? I have been thinking about doing it for some time now. Any comments on the program?

Thanks again for the great words on this forum. Keep the love and light shining bright.
-josh

I’ve been using hs for 4 years now, I’ve still got several months to finish with the a4, that leaves me with 8 more levels and at least 8 more years to go, yes my progression has been slower as the instructions tell, and though I’d like to advance fast track I am taking all the time I need to integrate each level.

In a way I understand what folks mean when they say that hs is outdated, which of course doesn’t mean that I would agree with them! I gave the meditation program a listen, and I can tell there are monoural beats integrated, also the binaural signal is not clearly audible, which would mean it’s embedded in the ambient sound itself. As far as I could tell from the sample they are not using isochronics in their tracks.

So a couple of comments on the different technologies: binaurals are great to listen to, be separated from ambient sound or embedded. Monourals are okay, but not as nice. And isochronics are a real pain in the ass: go and have a listen of the sample of the profound meditation program, I can’t sit with that stuff, really! It’s the isochronics that kills it all!

So this discussion about “outdated” is a bit a double edged sword, cause what’s the use of “cutting edge” if you can’t sit with it?

I never get tired from listening to hs (with exception of the times I have harsh bodily reactions of course, my resistance showing).

About the topic of meditation: Trev, you’ve mentioned that you’re for a fast solution and hence prefer meditation program over hs, and though I understand that (I wish I’d progress faster with hs) I have to say several things about this very point.

- subjective judgement in comparing the effectiveness of these technologies is useless, unless you have some accurate EEG equipment you really can’t sort this stuff out
- the two programs do different brainwave patterns at different carriers–hence they are very different–several months vs ten or more years of practice will give VERY DIFFERENT results (as much as I can like a fast solution–there really isn’t in this field!)
- I’ve spoken with people that have done all sorts of entrainment, especially with isochronics, cause they say that the entrainment provided by these tones is stronger than the one provided by binaurals (and while that is true–one of the very same people that was advocating this approach–he mostly plays around with beta, alpha and gamma sessions–has had a total breakdown and was hospitalized with pills–I’m talking about a guy that’s done far more brainwave entrainment than myself, over many years)

In my opinion, if you’re talking about meditation, and becoming more aware–which is the ultimate cause for happiness, the deep delta approach works best.

To Xenia: don’t worry about your anxiety, I’d say just go with the hs as per the instructions (keep in mind that the use causes also pleasurable neuro-chemicals to be released), if it becomes too much you can always back off. I’m saying this from the perspective of one that’s done hs 3 hours per day for weeks at a time, until I’ve had meltdown! I’ve managed to do up to 6 hours of hs in one day (I don’t recommend it–though it certainly didn’t kill me) now I do 2 hours every day, occasionally I do a third session. I’ve noticed that doing the immersion twice after the dive in a session–i.e. doing 90 minute sessions, puts more stress on me than just doing several 60 minute sessions, by the way: I’ve just done a 90 minute meditation this morning, I still feel it, kind of gives me that baked feeling in the head, ha ha.

To Claytrell: yeah, takes time to realize things sometimes, you’re changing all the time, but it only clicks now and then, but most of the time you feel like nothing’s happening, which of course is not true.

To Dr. Charles: agreed on the being suspicious of magic bullet solutions, meditation is a long term process, and trust me: it is hs that facilitates the changes in you, it’s not your effort. I know other folks that are using it, and they claim that their effort is doing the changes, when in reality it’s the increased awareness caused by the hs mediation that allows for that (i.e. I’m not saying that the effort isn’t coming from themselves–but rather that without hs they couldn’t do the leaps in the way they do).

Enough said, Cheers to you all, and keep Meditating! James

Start gently, so half an hour either each day or every other day would be the route I’d take.

Trev